Striving For National Peace And Unity

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by legalsuit, Aug 21, 2017.

  1. legalsuit

    legalsuit Legal Eagle

    Different countries may be at odds within their nation when it comes to recognising rights and entitlements of what they class as minorities.

    Australia has been on a long road trying to set things right with our historical Past and treatment of our Indigenous (minority), as well as those of different nationalities coming to Australia.

    While Australia now boasts it is multicultural and multiracial, reflected by acceptance of cultural practices, food, lifestyle and experience, we continue to work on setting things right.

    Excerpts from Timeline: Indigenous rights movement http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2010/11/08/timeline-indigenous-rights-movement

    1901: In Australia, there has been an Indigenous rights movement from the beginning of the 20th century with the White Australia Policy which excluded the Indigenous Australians from voting, pensions, Armed Forces and other rights. The White Australia Policy was also Australia's approach to immigration favouring applicants from certain countries.

    1962: All Indigenous people are given the right to vote in Commonwealth elections.

    1972: An Indigenous Tent Embassy is established outside Australia’s Parliament House, adopting the Indigenous flag; and upon election of a new Australian Prime Minister the White Australia policy is abolished.

    1975: Racial Discrimination Act 1975 (Cth) passed.

    Fast forward to 1992: The High Court’s Mabo case decision overturns terra nullius,[1] ruling that native title exists over unalienated Crown land, national parks and reserves. A win for our Indigenous.

    1997: inquiry into the Stolen Generations (i.e. our treatment of the Indigenous), is released. It recommends a national Sorry Day to commemorate the history and effects of removing the indigenous children from their families because at the time it was thought it was better to bring and raise children to white families.

    2008 - 13th February: Australian Prime Minister officially says 'Sorry' to the Stolen Generations.

    Bottom line: Personally, I believe it is important to recognise rights and entitlements of minorities and strive towards that end for peace and unity within a country’s nation. Multicultural and multiracial mixes can enrich a nation, because there is much we can learn from each other.

    I can only wish and pray for peace and unity in America following events of Charlottesville.



    [1] 'Terra Nullius'! Translate it into English and you have a 'Land that belongs to no-one'. http://mabonativetitle.com/tn_01.shtml
     
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  2. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    LS I agree in that we are currently trying to destroy ourselfs really quickly, is MSM whipping up histerior and is social media FB and Twitter a catalyst to division to unity?? thinking back 5yrs or so we never had this disunity at all, so why now?

    I dont like political stuff on a tech forum but sadly these days it spills over.
     
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  3. legalsuit

    legalsuit Legal Eagle


    Well, gossiping over the fence, graffiti, phone talk, telegraphic messages, newspapers and handwritten letters (which I still maintain for select communications, pure enjoyment of writing (“snail mail”) and comes with total privacy away from internet snoops) today has been replaced with various forms of modern media communications you mentioned.

    The only real difference is the speed “news” travels today…but the opinions, gossip and war mongers’ intent in their communications remains unchanged. These same types still communicate views/opinions/lies a lot faster now and to an international audience.

    People are people, good and bad and not all act in a responsible manner or thought of their actions. Unfortunately, that will never change and that’s why laws continue to change to manage some Rule of Law.

    But the higher the status of the communicator, the higher risk of the effects, evidenced by Kim Jong-un/Trump.

    Personally, in my view, it falls down on voters particularly those in democratic societies, to have enough common sense, decency, responsibility, fortitude, knowledge of candidates and a need for peace and unity to properly consider who they will elect and the effect that person will have in their lives.
     
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  4. Fred_G

    Fred_G Heat packin' geek

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/18/end-of-slavery-anniversary_n_4466330.html

    http://www.history.com/topics/black-history/voting-rights-act

    Interestingly enough, the Republican party was for these things, the Democrats, not so much.
     
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  5. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    Absolutely the speed in which we consume news and to the huge degree the MSM agencies are clambering over each other to get a story out, starts to have IMHO a negative effect on the truth, in some instances the need to publish seems to outweigh the accuracy of news, in many instances the MSM have gotten in wrong. In some instances the narrative of a story can be squed to favour one side over another (not necessary an untruth portrayal but not balanced).

    We also on the likes of social media and its natural to take one side over another in a debate but the debates I see have become feral, once past a few posts and both sides not learning to agree nor disagree it becomes personal attacks, this has now lead into in some respects a correct decision of the authorities to take action in a criminal capacity, but it also can descend into a farce in which anything could be considered a "hate crime" just because you dont agree with someone.

    The smackdowns and lively debates as we should say on forums and IRC back 10-20yrs ago would have staggered many these days, was it harmful to some likely but many just tuned out. Today there is a need to be welded to your phone and social media, is it healthy is the next big issue to crop up.

    Indeed which is where we are now with alleged peaceful protests that end up not, small minority mind but this is where things grow. I have no argument that we have a democratic right to protest so long as its peaceful, but going armed with so called flags on big sticks, shields, helmets and masks I do disagree with but the law is not doing much about it, the press love it as it fills 24/7 news.

    Still love the french farmers way to protest, just muck spread the council building.
     
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  6. legalsuit

    legalsuit Legal Eagle

    Quote “President Lincoln is credited with advocating for the amendment and working to push it forward through Congress…”

    President Lincoln accomplished a great change in trying to unite your country. Looking at your quote, it is interesting to note the following upon checking the link working to push it forward:

    Quote “…The 13th amendment to the United States Constitution provides that "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction…”[1]

    So interpretation of “…except as a punishment for crime…” means Chain Gangs are still in use in the USA? Isn’t this a form of slavery – by convicted prisoners?


    Quote: "However, according to CBS News, the state of Mississippi did not ratify the amendment until February of this year, due to an “oversight.”


    Upon checking the link according to CBS News:

    I had to smile upon noting an oversight by Public Servant(s) "What an amendment to have an error in filing,"[1]

    We often have a bit of a giggle with some bits of legislation, and say the error probably occurred while some government staff were working back late chewing on pizza with a glass of wine and missed including important sections when drafting law.

    Quote:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/18/end-of-slavery-anniversary_n_4466330.html

    Australian history also has its dark side when we look at how we treated convicts deported to Australia during early colonization and our wicked treatment of the Indigenous. Slavery comes in any form of unpaid labour, unsafe working conditions, exploitation, abuse which was discovered during an Australian Human Rights Commission

    While we rebuke any form of slavery, upon investigating employment complaints particularly with overseas students or people new to Australia trying to scratch a living, working conditions and treatment show breaches of Human Rights.

    Quote: The Voting Rights Act…August 6, 1965, aimed to overcome legal barriers at the state and local levels that prevented African Americans from exercising their right to vote under the 15th Amendment (1870) to the Constitution of the United States…

    http://www.history.com/topics/black-history/voting-rights-act

    Voting rights of our Indigenous was in 1962…and we’re still making changes for their rights.
     
  7. legalsuit

    legalsuit Legal Eagle

    Good reporting is backed up with facts, totally transparent – not opinions – showing the “good, bad and the ugly”, and leaving it to the viewer to make their own judgments.

    Bad or skewed “reporting” often done by entertainers on talk shows high on opinions and missing facts really aren’t reporting, can quickly be ripped apart when made to face facts. There’s an entertainment show with biased views I enjoy watching (acting as though they’re reporters), try to twist facts. When challenged with facts they try to distract to avoid answering honestly.:rolleyes:

    Unseen Trolls can be abusive...but they wouldn’t have the gumption to comment same face to face.

    I’m tired of hearing injury claims by people getting hit crossing the road or driving because they were busy texting, (A$400 fine if hand held or phone not in a cradle while driving).

    Social media (FB, Tweet, etc.) is diminishing face to face communication skills and people are not exercising as much as before all this technology. So yes, it is a health issue. In offices, desk tops can be elevated so a person now stands when using their computer screen...”sitting being the new smoking”!

    Last January we had a rally by groups against celebration of Australia Day which our Indigenous view as “Invasion Day”. It turned nasty…but police acted quickly so thankfully violent protesters were subdued and taken away. I was joining in the celebration on that day within the area and saw it firsthand.

    I was quite impressed and applauded the Indigenous leader (Warren Mundine) who said the violence was unacceptable: "If we want to have a mature, sensible discussion and debate about a day that brings us all together as a nation then fighting ... [is] not a way to do it."
     
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  8. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    Indeed it is the best way. History can and was a torrid time for many, but destroying statues will not change this and they serve as a reminder of where we can from and what not to go back too, if we accept one view we are not better then those some are trying to wipe from history.

    Think some cities are starting to fine folk when walking around/crossing roads with faces buried in phones as you say cause many accidents. Honolulu is one big name http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/...onic-device-ban-to-pedestrians-and-bicyclists. AS rightly you say face to face conversation is dying slowly, see people in bars/restaurants not chatting to friends but glaring into phone.
     
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  9. legalsuit

    legalsuit Legal Eagle

    Yes serving as a historical reminder...but it appears it depends on how they are depicted and where...some say to leave the statues where they are but include an inscription to express in some manner Human Rights as a way of apology...logically, this would cut costs for removal/placement into museums...something needs to be decided for resolution to calm both sides.


    While this Bill which "...extends electronic device ban to pedestrians and bicyclists.." has only been passed its first reading..if it gets through would be a logical move financially when you think about it. Council and comprehensive third party insurance covering such accidents would be minimised!
     

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  10. Just Playin

    Just Playin MajorGeek

    No one is destroying statues nor is anyone being wiped from history.
     
  11. legalsuit

    legalsuit Legal Eagle

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