That Time Again, New Pc.

So, my aging computer in my sig is soon to be replaced with a new sig.

These are my thoughts:

In Win 909 case
x99 deluxe 2
128 GB ram
Still trying to decide on the cpu. Thinking of 6850k, but might go higher.
2 1080's.
850 pro samsung 512GB C: and 1 TB samsung M2. Probably a few more SSD's


Egad, 128 GB of ram?!??! Yep, need it, 64 is not enough for virtualization.

 

Gorgeous case!

What are you doing for a power supply for all that hardware?

 

That case "looks" nice - and tempered "glass"?!?! Wow!!! But I think it is very impractical. Most towers sit on or near the floor. And, in thinking about the last large cubical office I worked in, most computers sat on the floor to the left of the user. But either side doesn't matter. I sure don't want to get down on my hands and knees to first find, then press the power button, insert a USB connector, or my headphones! And I sure am not going to put a monster tower case on my desk so I am able to see, then use the power button and the front(???) , no, side USB ports.

The side mounted power button is not even towards the front of the case! Who designed the exterior of that case? A fashion model? Certainly not a real computer user.

And note too it is an EATX case. That means it is HUGE! It is very tall to support EATX motherboards (your X99 is a significantly smaller standard ATX). And it is very deep so again, not on my desk! It supports 10 drives and 8 expansion slots. Are you going to come even close to that? It weighs 37.48 pounds - empty! Load it with a motherboard 128GB of RAM, a heavy power supply, a heavy CPU cooling system, and multiple drives and I bet you will be pushing 60lbs! What a pain to lug that big, heavy carcass around!

Yes, it has a nice air filter, but even with air filters you eventually need to break a computer down and lug it outside for a proper cleaning - especially if you load it up with fans that WILL pull in dust from everywhere - not just through the front filter. And I note most of the fan mount locations in that case are NOT filtered - only the front panel fans have a filter. For $420!!! No thanks. I don't care how pretty it is.

How long do you stare at a pretty case? I tend to pay attention to what's happening on my monitors. Yes, you spend good money on the components, the case should look nice too. But it's practical job should come first. And I don't see that happening here.

I love my Fractal Design R4 Window. It is $300 less than that In Win 909, it supports full size ATX motherboards like that X99. It holds MORE SSDs than that In Win and the same number of expansion slots! And this is a mid tower with better air filtration and plenty of cooling options, including radiator support, but still large enough work in and still see what you are doing. And it has lots of noise suppression materials pre-fitted and installed. All the front panel buttons and connectors are super easily accessible at the top/front of the case - and it even looks great. IMO, with the great looking Fractal Design R4 case, you get a lot more case that is much more practical for a lot less money.

And I agree with Mimsy - I hope you are not planning on cutting corners with a generic, budget PSU. 80-PLUS certification does not guarantee better reliability, but it does guarantee a relatively high (at least 80%) and most importantly, "flat" efficiency curve across a full range of expected loads. I don't believe Platinum or Titanium is necessary, but I would get at least a Bronze and preferably a Gold certified supply. You don't buy a new Ferrari then fill it up with generic fuel from the corner Tobacco and Bait shop. And remember, higher wattage does NOT automatically mean better. It often just means another waste of money!

There are MANY quality, good looking cases that offer outstanding cooling support and noise suppression that are much more practical for at least 1/2 that price. This would save you money that could easily go towards a quality PSU (I like EVGA Golds) and that upgraded CPU you were thinking about.

And note that new computers require the purchase of new operating licenses (including W10).

 

My power supply question was honest curiosity, not criticism. I like PSUs, and most people don't bother including them in build specs, so I was curious. The fool knows better than to skimp on the important stuff.

This is accurate for OEM licenses, but not if you bough ta retail copy of Windows. A retail license can be transferred to a new computer as long as it is removed from the old computer first. This has been the case since XP or so, I believe.

Link to ZDnet for verification for Windows 10, since links to Microsoft require a Microsoft login and everyone may to have one. A google search for "windows license transfer" can tell curious minds about how legal this is to do wit ha retail license and how to do it.

 

And my response was not meant as criticism. Just a precaution.

True, IF the person knows better and does it anyway, then you could say they are foolish. But they are not aware of the need for quality power, that does not make them foolish. Naïve maybe. Negligent for not doing more homework. But not a fool.

That is true and I should have been more clear. Thanks for pointing that out. But the fact is, by far, the vast majority of licenses out there are OEM and OEM licenses can never be legally transferred to a new computer under any circumstances (except in Germany). The good news here is all Windows 10 licenses consumers buy separately (that is, that don't come preloaded on factory built systems, or were upgrade versions) are retail.

So if you took advantage of the free upgrade offer from W7 or W8.1 to W10, and your W7/8.1 was OEM as most were (even with self-builders), you cannot transfer that W10 to a new computer. But if you had a full retail version of W7/W8.1 and upgraded to W10, you can transfer that license AS LONG AS you totally remove every installation done with that original license from all other systems.

 

I blame auto-correct for this one. I intended to say thefool, as in, the MG regular who started this thread and who I know knows better than to skimp on PSUs.

Whoops.

As for Windows licenses, the key is to know what you have, OEM or retail, and to know what you're allowed to do with what you have. If in doubt, right-click on Computer, click Properties, and scroll down to look for the Windows Product ID. OEM versions usually have the letters OEM in the product key.

 

Just to say my old case is a Temjin TJ11 so I don't mind bulky cases also my old case cost about $100 more than this new one. My current PSU is a Seasonic Platnium 1000 and I'll buy another one for this build. I did take advantage of the w10 upgrade (on my current), love 10. I'll buy a new license for win 10 pro retail non-oem for this build. Since I can transfer the license to a newer pc.

This is my hobby and I enjoy it.

On a side note, the 1TB 850 EVO is not great on IOps for VMs. It works, but need that pro. Need the two nics, to separate traffic. Then vlan them on my switch.

 

On a side note, I run a 4k monitor and an old 2560x1600 monitor. Pending on a few things, I may switch to one 40" 4k monitor. I don't really care about twitch gaming, or having 144hz blah blah.

 

Good point. Of course we all agreed to the terms of the particular license when we clicked that little "I agree" button when we installed Windows, or when we first decided to keep using the computer when brand new. And we all read those terms every time we install or use new software, right?

Yep! That's the good news. When you buy a new W10 retail license, there are no restrictions to the number of times you can transfer it to another PC (other than it can only be installed on one computer at a time). I think Microsoft has finally done that right. W10 retail is still a bit pricy, IMO, but at least it is a one-time purchase.

A 1KW PSU is probably overkill (especially with all SSDs) but being Platinum, it has outstanding efficiency even at very low load levels (where many lessor PSUs falter). And of course, it is hard to go wrong with Seasonic.

I have an 850 Pro as my primary and an 850 EVO as my secondary drive in this computer and I think it is a great setup. No, the 850 EVO is not great on IOps compared to the Pro, but even the slowest SSD runs circles around the fastest HD. I've been using SSDs in all my builds for several years now and they still amaze me how fast SSD based computers boot, wake and load programs. This computer has a UEFI BIOS, DDR4 and W10 pro so it is my fastest yet. Love it! I have a 20,700 word, 63 page Word document I have created a shortcut to on my Quicklaunch toolbar. I use it for canned texts and links (with tables, charts, and images) for my "work" in helping out on forums. When I click that shortcut, MS Word and the 63-page document "pops" open. Amazing! No way am I going back to those slow, big, clunky, noisy, archaic, electromechanical things called hard drives.

Many still balk at the prices of SSDs but if you factor in the costs over 3 - 5 years, including the savings in lower power consumption and cooling requirements, I say the extra cost is, worst case, a wash and maybe even a money saving investment compared to HDs. And if you believe time is money, then SSDs save you even more over the life of the computer. Not to mention, many SSDs, including the 850 Pros, are warrantied for 10 years! No hard drive even comes close to that.

 

I never really balked at the price of SSD's. I first started getting them when 256 GB was about $500 or so. Though, this round I may just keep the current 512GB SSD as main boot drive. Then look at speed differences between M2, U2, or NVME. Though NVME is rather pricey.

 

Everything in the list is pricey. But do let us know how it all comes together.

 

The case and motherboard are here. Waiting on the ram. I'll be looking at getting one M2 512 GB ssd for the OS: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147467 , and perhaps this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16820167361 for VM storage.

 

So, for my computer I have 40 lanes to play with. X16 for video card, X8 for second. So, 16 lanes free. I will be doing 2 x 4x lanes for the M2 SSD's for VM's. Probably use a slow 850 pro 1TB SATA (ahci) for OS .

I haven't really pressed go for this option, but I have ordered a Samsung 850 pro 512 GB M2, along with 2 SP (Static Pressure (due to restricted air flow))120 PWM fans, and the Corsair H115i cpu cooler.

Now for the PSU, I'd like to go with Seasonic, but I'm tempted to go with a Corsair this round, since I do have corsair ram and cooler that is compatible with the corsair link. Might have to go with the Corsair commander mini (read good reviews on version 4).

Does anyone run with an AXi or HXi series PSU from corsair? I'll have to do research on the two.

 

I have a couple of Corsair AXi that have served me very well over the years. The "youngling" of the two is now on it's fifth year and shows no noticeable signs of aging. Completely stable, and not very loud either.

Heavy as all **** though. Which made me happy when I unpacked it.

 

So, perhaps this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139039&ignorebbr=1

 

So, looks good for this PSU: http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story6&reid=300

 

That's one of mine... except mine's gold rated. Corsair PSUs is one of the few brands I'm actually loyal to, since I've never had any problems at all with them. Plug in and forget is how PSUs should work.

 

Ordered a bit more, went ahead and ordered the PSU, another M2 512 GB ssd, 1 TB 950 pro ssd, and win 10 Pro retail.

Still need CPU and GPU. I will get there.

 

Just a taste that I'm not joking on the ram.

 

I recently had to replace the PSU in the Dell in the den, SO it got the "hand me down" OCZ Stealth PSU from my rig (it's been loyal for over six years!) so after some research, I got an 860 AXi to replace it.

So far so good, nothing but happy with it. Having a customizable PSU is a new experience for yours truly.

 

Well, had to order a couple new sp120s that are reversible, since I have to pull air in, not out. But, I may use my SP120 PWM's on the radiator. This project won't get done quickly, may have to wait for a month or so, when prices on cards settle down. But, it looks good so far.

 

I am running that same Corsair 1200, very stable. Highly recommended if you need tons of power.
For GPU my ProDuo is fantastic. Faster than two 980Ti in the games I play and only takes up one slot. Water cooled from the factory and stable at OC of 10%.
I am curious why one 1T SSD and not a pair of 512's in raid?

 

Just an update. Got the cpu and AIO cooler installed. I may switch where it is, but I'm good now. Most items are connected. Still need the 1080's (or next gen titans???), may switch the 970's to this build.

Just trying to decide on where to install the OS.

The 1 TB SSD on sata, or one of the two 512GB NVMe's. hrmmm.

My old computer will become a true ESXi box.

 

So, took out one of my old 970's in my current case and installed it in my new computer. Just did driver updates, basic software installs, and scary bios updates. Going over wireless (built in) was super slow compared to what I'm use to, was a pain.

Over all the new computer is super quiet, no grinding of regular hard drives. Just the purr of the fans running.

Anyway, I'm still waiting on a part from corsair, which is the commander mini. Need this to run my pump and PSU. (Note: I don't need this part, but with the commander I can monitor a ton of stuff. More incoming).

I do have windows installed on one of the M2 cards. Not sure which. Fun time to figure it out.

I'm still waiting on the availability of two 1080's. (Wait what titan about to come out, well may upgrade to that, wait what 1080ti, same thing)..

This is my hobby and I enjoy it.

 

Post a (some) pics. I'm curious how the 2 M2 cards are looking installed.

 

I'll post more pics tomorrow.

So, the commander came in, and well, looky there the commander requires a USB2 port, and the pump needs the same. This board has plenty of USB3 ports (which I'm using all of them), but just one USB2 port. Now, when I say port, I'm talking about the type of connection that allows one to use the case external USB connections.

So, I had to order yet another part that will expand my USB2 ports a bit. Joy: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA85V3GE1472

Should be in tomorrow.

On that video card issue I posted above. Titan X Ultimate?? $1200 a pop. I'm waiting on August 2nd (I think) to get reviews. Sadly not HBM2 but GDDRX5, well, we'll see. I wonder how much @folding PPD power it has.......

 

A couple of pics.

This is a work in progress.

 

I would recommend on a high power fan for the out flow.

The fan i use is a Delta AFB1212GHE-CF00 120mm Case cooler
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835213001

• 120mm
• 5200 RPM 240.96 CFM
• 2 Ball
• 62 dBA

I have a speed fan adjuster for all my fans.This will help keep that baby cool.

May be a little noise but that is where the Fan speed adjuster comes in.You can tweak the fan speed to where you hardly hear a sound and yet keep your system cool.Especially if you got that much ram and heat.

 

62dBA! Ouch! That is way too noisy for me. IMO, if you buy a top quality case, much of its job is to suppress noise and sit discreetly and quietly, and NOT draw attention to itself.

What good is a fan that spins at 5200RPM if you plan on drastically reducing its speed so you cannot hear it?

If that case had very limited fan support, then that would make sense to me. But that case supports up to 8 large fans. For that money, you can easily get two 140mm Fractal Design "Silent Series" fans that you can run at full speed and still be 2/3 as quite as that 120mm Delta. Note with sound, you don't just add dB to dB. As seen here, 18.5 + 18.5 = 21.5 dB.

The ONLY sound I want to hear coming from my computer is the sound coming out of my computer speakers, and the reassuring click from my keyboard key presses.

 

Seem to remember an old formula that doubling power made a 3db gain.

 

That is way i included the Speed fan controller you can use it to compensate to lower the speed i hardly hear a sound out of the fan.

And the only time you should hear the sound is when you boot it up.Than it goes back to the speed you set it too.

I find if you have more than 4 big fans in system you need a hefty fan on the back to suck out the extra air flow.

And plus i was just making a suggestion be cause he has 128 gigs of ram sticks.They are going to put out some major heat.Especially if they are overclocked ram.

 

Yes, but that is power. A 9dB increase in "SPL" (sound pressure level) is twice the perceived "volume".

That sure would depend on the configuration of the fans, right. If you have two fans in back and two in front, that should be fairly equal to create a nice flow through the case. This mess of over pressure and under pressure is immaterial for most users. If you have good "flow" through the case, that is what matters most.

I agree with 128GB of RAM all jammed in close quarters you definitely want a lot of air moving through the case. I am just saying in that particular case, which supports 8 large fans, you can easily do with much quieter fans.

 

I found a MSI board i am drooling.

Watch the video.Intel series

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...gclid=CMrmxsXHis4CFQIGaQod4EoOug&gclsrc=aw.ds

 

I just have a bad taste with MSI (early 2000's), but I liked this board better: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130921

I've built a few of the Asus deluxe boards on my previous job. Liking them, I move to the next gen.

For the ram, I do have to install the coolers for them. Like I said before, this is still a work in progress.

With the restricted air flow on this case, I have to use SPF fans. Now currently my rad is on the back the case, but I may move it to the front.

I will say that this case is not fun to work with, but I love it. It is much better then the Temjin TJ11 that my current computer is in: http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cases/2011/04/08/silverstone-temjin-tj11-review/1

 

Well, August 2nd will be my decision point if I get the newer Titan X @ $1200 a pop.

 

So, far, in my journey:

1 x NZXT IU01 USB header - $35
2 x corsair sp120 - $26
1 x I7-6850K - $610
1 x Retail Win10 Pro - $200
1 x Corsair AXi1200 - $308
1 x Samsung 850 Pro 1TB - $427
2 x Samsung 950 Pro 512GB - $634
1 x Corsair H115i - $125
1 x 128 GB Corsair ram - $930
1 x In Win 909 $420
1 x Asus X99-Deluxe II - $420

Total - $4,135

And, no video cards. So, two 1080s? One or two newer Titan X's?

 

And the decision to buy one Titan X Pascal or two 1080s. I'm really thinking of going the one Titan.