Which Os Does The Majority Think Is More Safe And Stable: Win 10 Or Win 7 Pro?

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Its just elegant and simplistic. Great for testing stuff quickly.

 

In all honesty I agree as well.

It's mainly about the user.And the behavior like going to sites un-protected.I can go to any type of site i want with out problems.Be cause i have ublock and adblock plus with a pop up blocker.I am secure more than most and i don't have a anti-virus software and very rarely run malwarebytes.And i am on Windows 7 pro 64bit.

And i set my malwarebytes to scan once a month instead of every other day.Which takes time and resources.Unlike anti-virus programs that are continuously running in the back round.

 

I have a win10 pc here that is barely used. Only in situations where another pc is down for some reason. When it's fired up it goes to a win7 virtual machine. The virtual machine can use my wireless mifi, Win10 doesn't see it. I'm glad it doesn't see it because I only buy 4 or 5 gb card at any time. If I've already been using the allotment, there isn't enough left for a win10 update. And I might burn thru the rest of the card without the benefit of a 'resume'. I know of people who have to have internet access because of kids in school, worker's situation, or any other business, family, social, or other needs. With the lowest cable package around here costing around 120$US a month, most people rely on their cell phone for internet access. 45$us is 10 gb till slowdown occurs. Ms is missing many customers that they might could have had if there was a more affordable option for many people. It seems MS thinks everybody has a good, medium to high speed internet access. Believe me, many people don't. The safest most reliable os for many may be what's on their phone. MS is going to have to find a way to capture all the people that can't rely on a pc or in the long run, Win10 may be the dominate os, but a phone may cut into their lively hood big time!

 

Very true Andy, many do not entertain high speed internet through cable these days simply because of exuberant costs!
The major market for Win10 is the corporate industry today.

The cellular network presents a logical option for the domestic market because lets face it, we always have our mobile (cell) phones with us 24/7 today.
In fact, we cant live without them.
I dare anyone to tell me that they don't surf Facebook whilst sitting on the crapper (I prefer American Checkers gaming myself. lol)
They are merely computers that can also make phone calls.
About the only place I can think of that we don't use them is probably in the shower?

The major blackhat hackers today know this, and the exploitation of Andriod and iOs devices is now huge business and a major reason that credit cards, paypal accounts, FB accounts, Twitter accounts etc, are being exploited!

The problem being is that most using a cable gateway secure their home networks with WPA2, Antivirus apps, VPN tunneling, Firewalls etc, but when it comes to their cell phones, security is not even considered.
This is a bad idea.

My phone runs Malwarebytes for Android, I tunnel through Mullvad VPN, and I also run full device encryption.

 

Whilst we are at home and our phones are connected to our secure network, we are relatively safe!
Its when we drive out of our garage and enter the big wide world which is out of our home secure network range, that security becomes a problem.
Unsecured networks (hotspots) that we connect to so we can access free data is of a major concern.....or at least it should be.

My single biggest security concern with client network and OS security in a corporate environment, is/are employee's mobile devices!
If you engage in financial or any account login transactions over an unsecured network hotspot with your phone whilst out eating lunch at Macca's, then come back to work and re-connect to your employers network with that phone, this can be a major headache for security tech's as Im sure you will appreciate.

Anyway, back on topic, most of the geeks here know how to protect themselves online even though they maybe using Win7 or even XP!
As you all know, I do recommend updating to Win10 to stay with the latest but...…….
how many of you know about Android and iOS security?

 

I have been using android since 4.0.

I know android well.And i don't have issues with it.

 

I've been running LineageOS on old Samsung S5 Int Unlocked devices.
I've supplied 5 of them now to various folks.

LineageOS is auto-updating.

A simple manual update got me Android 9 in about 15 minutes, on 5 year old hardware... a few hours ago.
LineageOS takes a stock samsung backup down from 30 minutes to about 5, obviously basic system only.

I've bricked phones a couple times, even breaking the EFS folder completely so no connection to any network ever again.... until some hacking about under a linux shell.

Android is hackable... with LineageOS, you'll be as secure as I think you can be.

 

Just to bring it back from a tangent... I'm trying to get Windows Apps installed on Android, under WINE 4.2.

Its unlikely to support Win10 64 apps anytime soon

 

You can get some free data using Freedom Pop. I think that you can have 5 devices on your account, with 500mb/mo each free per month. Though you do have to fund the accounts upfront (it's prepaid).

 

Are you saying that you bricked the phone and then brought it back?

 

From wiki- I think I keep my plan. I want it, I buy it, can register with only a nickname and no online money needed. I'm okay.
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Another example is that Freedompop does not list upgrade costs explicitly. According to FreedomPop's own support page, if you sign up for the $20/ month, 2GB plan and you have already passed 15 days out of your 30 day billing cycle, you will be charged $10 and you will get just 1GB. When your 30 day billing cycle is completely over, you will be charged the full $20 and you will get the full 2GBs of data.[73] In practice, when a user try to upgrade a $25 2GB plan with (2GB consumed) to a $30 3GB plan 15 days into the billing cycle, FreedomPop will charge users $15 (half of $30) and grant the user an additional 1GB. The end result would be the user pays $55 in a 30-day bill cycle, but gets only 3GB data in total. That is done all without telling the user explicitly about the cost, and there was no way to get any refund not even if the user is willing to revert to the 2GB plan. There is also no documentation on such billing practices, the customer service would not explain how things work and just say the billing is correct. The users are left alone in trying to understand what was going on.

Merely disputing a FreedomPop charge by filing a complaint with your financial institution results in the summary termination of the user's services altogether as described on their support webpage: "Unfortunately, filing a dispute claim is a violation of the Terms of Service agreement and you will not be able to continue services."

 

Yes !

The slightly longer story is that I was hacking about with the phone, backing it up and restoring.
I wiped the EFS folder. That links in with the phones IMEI number etc, to make the phone unique on the network.
With a broken EFS, there is no way that phone will connect to a network, it can't register a valid IMEI etc.

Its illegal in most countries to mess about at this level in a phone, so local phone repairers said they wont touch it, even if they know how.

Had to attach ADB to the phone down its debug USB connection.

I'm no expert though, so search engines and clever people at phone forums are my friend.
Open a linux shell to the phone.
Step 1, Hunt backups for a a valid EFS.
Copy it back.
Set permissions on various folders to correct settings.
Reboot the phone... goto Step 1,, until...

Bingo, phone back from dead, and registering on the network again....

I'm no expert though, so forums and search engines to thank...

 

Just to add my 2cts, I run XP SP3, Win7 SP1 and various flavours of Linux which I try out, the latest being Linux Mint.

Most days I am in XP, as now. Similarly to Eldon I have never downloaded any patches or critical updates unless they are specifically required to remedy an issue. I do run an AV [Avast] and FW [Comodo] though just to be on the safe side.

XP will run an SSD perfectly well. I have a 500GB Samsung Evo. Granted auto Trim will not work on XP but manual trim via Samsung Magician will work for Intel based chipsets but not for AMD ones. But then if your drive has good garbage collection [GC] and you have an AMD chipset then just boot to bios and leave for a few hours.

Personally, I did not like 8.1 at all. 10 was marginally better but I still consider it to be a bloated beast which without the users consent will contact MS. Win 7 is not as bad but it took me days to disable several Start Up Tasks that do nothing more than report back to MS. MS even know when your pc goes online after you turn it on with versions >XP...!!

However, to each his or her own just because someone uses a different operating system(s) to mine does not mean that they are wrong. We are all different.

As to which one is safest well, looks like browser safety is the main issue. By that I mean exploits. I was just reading about MarioNet (can install programs and script even after your browser is closed) which is frightening and promptly disabled that entry in my browsers.

Good Luck to all

 

Thank you for detailing this !
Maybe the earlier SSD's didn't have decent GC and therefore TRIM would be more important ?
Not all SSD's are supported by XP ? hence your Evo with Magician fulfilling the role of TRIM.

I had terrible results with XP on SSD. Slowed to a crawl over time. Its performance was restored under Win7.
Maybe that was me being subjective.

 

My desktop pc runs an AMD board / chipset so I cannot use Samsung Magician [SM] to manually trim. But I have 2 Dell laptops with Intel chipsets and manual trim works perfectly well with SM on XP. On my AMD rig I just boot to bios and let it run for 6-8 hours every 3 months or so.

The key to running an SSD especially with XP is that you must research which SSDs have the best GC.

Fro my recollections, Intel SSDs have a program which can run manual trim on AMD chipsets with XP but were hideously expensive.

 

Sorry, but DHCP is how old ?
Why is it now a problem ?

https://www.techrepublic.com/article/windows-10-dhcp-vulnerability-allows-for-remote-code-execution/

 

Do you really believe it's a problem?
Has your computer been compromised?

 

Some of the earlier (2001-2003) SSDs from Intel/Crucial and some others has good GC - though they may have needed an occasional overnight on the BIOS screen to ensure GC wasn't interfered with by Windows Tasks, etc. running.

XP doesn't natively support TRIM. Even on Vista > W10, TRIM can be blocked by a 'bad' driver - FSUTIL doesn't check whether TRIM is functional, it only checks whether it's enabled in the OS:

I believe TRIM is enabled (fsutil shows that), but Hard Disk Sentinel shows it is DISABLED. Why?

There is a big difference between the TRIM feature being enabled and being active. Enabled just means that the OS will send the TRIM command to the SSD device (via the controller driver where the SSD is connected), but that does not guarantee that the SSD will actually receive the TRIM command.

The fsutil shows if the operating system in general uses the TRIM function or not.
The result of this is completely useless - as it returns 0 (TRIM "working") even if there is no SSD present in the system.

 

No, it hasn't and that makes a good point.

Being port scanned to death on a fixed IP is my latest problem... nothing to do with Windows though.