Win 10 free to Win 8 and 7 users

Interesting and believable.

Also from the article: "We asked Microsoft for clarification on the material implications of having a "non-genuine" free upgrade to Windows 10, and got a "no comment" in response."

I'm only interested in this because Microsoft will upset millions of users who paid for Windows all the years.

 

Ah!, hem!...Adryn, Eldon + others. Please self-Moderate a bit. Cheers!

 

Moderate what exactly?

 

...Okay, so you're not the Forum "White Ant", sorry!

 

:major

 

" Its not like it will stop anything besides legacy and hacked OSes which the consumer has no right to in the first place."
Our crane software has to be "hacked" (replace some dll's) and I keep Win lisc # for every install. Some times Windows is the best answer, just not in its original form. This may be against MS wishes, may not. We do have the right to run any OS on our hardware. And as Adry says, we will have to boycott some hardware to continue this.

I wonder what will happen to the dual boot Apples? Quite a few legal installs of Windows there.

 

I don't see it affecting Apple whatsoever in that windows 10 doesnt require secure boot to boot.

Though I will say this: Apple is phasing out Windows 7 support for boot camp, which may also hinder manual installs.

 

I guess I misunderstood this one too.
http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/...t-mandatory-locks-out-other-operating-systems

 

I assume so, yes, considering that Apple isn't going to ship with secure boot enabled unless they use it (it is a uefi standard) and windows 10 doesnt require secure boot.

Apple aside, unless an OEM locks it permanently, there is nothing keeping you from running another OS, or a distro that supports secure boot.

 

From what I've read, apple is dropping support for windows 7.

Also, on the UEFI and secure boot issue with linux, you just have to make sure that the linux distro you are using supports it. Ubuntu 12.04.2 LTS and 12.10 supports it.

 

On topic (kinda):

I will say that with vsphere 6 embedded (ESXi 6 running on top of Workstation 11) with VCSA 6(vCenter Server appliance). I'm running Vmware view 6.1 with the latest version of windows 10. I had issues running with the view client, but quickly switched to the html5 client and it ran flawlessly with 1 cpu and 2GB of ram. This is on my home lab.

The above is why I run with 64GB of ram, wish I had more.

 

My boss heard "free" and is suddenly interested in Win 10, so much so he wanted to install it himself.
I had an extra laptop and gave it to him to play with, it had Win 7 Pro. I will post any humorous stories. So far he has 4 hours burning the DVD, 2 hours installing the OS and will probably never get it stable before giving up. Laptop has nVidia graphics so he is getting worst case scenario.

 

Ask Cortana "what did the fox say" and you will be shocked at the answer. it makes me laugh at the time.

 

Siri says "The secret of the fox is an ancient mystery".

The Laptop is two years old, no modem. Stable unless he tries something the nVidia driver does not like. Strange that is not only games.

So far I am impressed how well he is doing. The install is pretty much on its own and no real problems.

 

Why I’m Excited About Windows 10 (And You Should Be Too)

http://www.howtogeek.com/217402/why-im-excited-about-windows-10-and-you-should-be-too/


Windows 10 release date, price, features UK: Staggered release with PCs coming first this summer.

Here's everything you need to know about Windows 10 and how to try it out now.

http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/new-prod...echnical-preview-launch-event-edge-pc-summer/

 

"Here's everything you need to know about Windows 10 and how to try it out now."
You mispelled "fear" as "know"

 

Don't fear what you don't like/know. IT101.

 

LOL, May I quote you on that Adry?
Mostly I fear they will not fix all that we do know to be problems and add a few more.

 

Quote me all day long

I work with things I do not like all the time.

 

I figure Windows 10 can't possibly be any more of a PITA to figure out than Windows 8 has been. And if all else fails, I still have three licenses left on my Win7 disk.

 

Musk, you missed the Win 7 reaction - "Finally a reason to dump XP!"

Adry says "Don't fear what you don't know" so we should not fear losing the keyboard, mouse and desktop paradigm. Now I have to get MS to listen to Adry.

 

You are being ridiculous.

I could show you how MS has moved forward in the development world that shows they aren't afraid either, but your jaded view of MS is painfully obvious and nothing anyone says will change that. Makes it rather pointless to even try.

 

Why is that something to fear? Technology changes constantly, and we all adjust. If you'd told me 10 years ago I would be swiping and tapping instead of pushing number keys repeatedly to do anything on my phone, I'd have said you were crazy. But now it's common. Was there a learning curve? You bet! Did I get used to it? Same answer.

Besides, if you're old enough, you remember when the "keyboard, mouse and desktop paradigm" wasn't how computers worked.

 

Adry, personal attacks aside, in a few years people using the keyboard will be the ridiculous ones. MS is developing better interfaces, like Kinect but they are being careful to maximize profits which is slowing implementation. Anyone have a link on mainstream interface technology for Windows OS? I would be all over a reliable interface to control cranes from the payload instead of the cab.
Apple bought the company that made Kinect but has not used the technology.
http://appleinsider.com/articles/14...otion-sensor-force-detecting-macbook-trackpad so no help there.

 

I wasn't making it personal until you did

I don't think the keyboard will go away in a few years for my industry, but I could see it happening for consumers, I'd say a decade, not a few years however. Neither Hololens or Kinect are anywhere close to be able to replace that kind of interaction.

 

I just watched "Kingsman: The Secret Service" and the whole free SIM card bit reminded me of Microsoft handing out Windows 10 for free. :eek

I bet Richard Stallman is having a great time trying to convince people that the reason Windows 10 is free is because it's actually a ticking time-bomb in disguise and will cause all our computers to transform into Decepticons and turn on their users...or something like that. :-D

 

10 years may be more accurate unless they put out tutorials on how to interact with computers verbally. Currently Windows help is always how to do things with a keyboard/mouse. If MS includes voice methods and gesture methods in all help topics adoption will be much faster.

 

Mouse control took a few years to get good and a decade to get great.
Voice will be at least that long before it's better for mainstream.
Embracing new technology is never easy, so many in the Win 10 forums that want "another Windows" release instead of real progress. But at least MS is reading the threads there and listening to those who use Cortana saying how much more she can be.
Would be nice to be on your PC doing email and have Cortana able to call the sender even though he is not in your contacts list. Very doable, very helpful, totally alien to some Luddites. I think the command "Cortana, call this jerk" would work for me.

 

Windows Update is offering Win 10 now.
Going to do it, after imaging my drive in case it is a downgrade for my situation.

 

I plan on upgrading (if I can) on day one. Also plan on upgrading my work computer to see how well it plays with our domain. Mostly to see if our apps are compatible with it.

 

Got my reservation yesterday.
I remember the same comments and panic when XP was released.
Cash in those beer cans for refund - it time to upgrade the system is the bottom line I think.

 

I think reserving a copy now may get some downloads going. If not now, soon so MS can avoid an internet crash on release day.
Blizzard, for one, pioneered this type of Torrent release. Give many people pieces of the puzzle and on release day download the last pieces while uploading your pieces to others.

 

It won't. GA isn't until the end of next month.

 

Interesting read on why MS may just make Win 10 free.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertc...crosoft-is-giving-away-windows-10-to-pirates/
I did not realize how little income Windows was for them.

Adry, what you said I do not understand. What does GA date have to do with pre-downloading?

 

What does General Availability have to do with pre-downloading?

Eh, everything?

 

Hmm..I have yet to receive the upgrade icon. I've tried all the tricks to try and force it but have been unsuccessful. Since this is just a "reserve" option I hope you can just download it when it's released so long as you meet the requirements.

 

The offer to update to Win 10 is given in an update.
You should get it if your system can handle 10 and you have a Win 7 or later OS installed and fully updated.
I have a system I am building, no offer for 10 yet on it. But it has not finished updating the Windows 7 install.

 

Nice conference in SF.
MS no doubt has a counter to a better Siri which was mentioned in a few keynote speeches. One reporter commented "The next generation of smartphone operating systems are also trying to reduce the time you spend in apps. Google Now unlocks timely, customized information from within apps and displays them in a dashboard on Android. With its new Proactive assistant and deeper search functionality, Apple is also trekking down the path to the post-app era. Using a combination of A.I., data mining from within apps, and your own information, our phones will just know what we’re looking for. The idea is to get us what we want when we want it—and Apple seems bent on doing exactly that." which is the feeling I came away with as well.

I am hoping Win 10 will have something like this instead of "just another slightly better XP" (another reporter comment, remember this is an Apple event) like the last few revisions of the OS.

 

So very important to read this: http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/...4/77905387-7940-4821-a0f7-483d0520a862?page=1