windows 7 doesnt allow manage startup?

can someone tell me why windows 7 cannot allow me to manage startup programs in any way that bypasses selective startup? in other words everything I try is always a choice between normal or selective. even CCleaner goes selective so it is turned into selective on my system. i was advised not to use selective and in vista there was a place called system services that could be blocked but on windows 7 its only - services - and now the programs I want to block DONT EVEN SHOW UP ON THE LIST. ( brother printer / openoffice writer etc. ) unless I have missed something. can someone please tell me once and for all if selective startup is acceptible and if not point me in the right direction for blocking some startup programs....

my alternative is to download some free app off the web and hope it doesnt mess up my system but i've gone down that road before and really dont want to do any unnecessary downloading.

 

i believe ccleaner will not do selective if you remove an item, only if you disable it. So i would suggest disabling an item first if you're not sure what it does, then when you are satisfied it works fine, you can use ccleaner to remove it from the list.

 

If starupcpl works on 7, that does not use msconfig keys. I've had difficulty with this program on Vista.

Else I use startup manager 2.4.2 and under the system settings in this program I change to store disabled items in startup manager key.

I'm hoping this is right as I once entered into a very technical discussion, (by very technical I mean I didn't have a clue), with one of the expert malware fighters. Those people really know their s***!

 

Thanks! I start using this one for the classes I teach, (volunteer on the Senior Center, or do you spell Centre?)

 

lots of great info here, so the general idea is get a software program to manage the startup and stay away from msconfig, everyone is essentially saying DO NOT GO SELECTIVE STARTUP ROUTE. correct? I know in the malware section of this website there is a read me first part about only using normal startup...that is the rule then for safe computer use? big problems or just problems when using selective startup?

 

I downloaded the startupCPL and it only found msnmsgr and my openoffice writer. but there was a HKLM area where the others are, can I uncheck those or are they registry values to be left alone ? ( says something to do with registry ).

 

if it's the HKLM/Software/Microsoft/CurrentVersion/Run part of the registry, that is a common place for start up programs to be. you don't want to get rid of all of them.

 

I meant just uncheck the stuff that really shouldnt be there like brother printer drivers / open office writer / msnmsgr / spybot etc...

 

startup CPL doesnt do anything after restarting to test it. i uncheck the brother driver on HKLM and it just created another duplicate signature of the service right beneath it checked. i uncheck other stuff and no effect. can anyone describe how to use startup CPL ?

 

uninstall the printer?...thats about the brightest thing I've heard since the last time i heard bush junior speak as president.

 

I was advised not to change from normal startup mode to selective ( that being what I understand is removing the printer from startup - beyond that no I dont WANT to remove the print spooler or said function) because the whole point of this thread is to find an alternative to that. I cannot get an answer it seems, because either I frame the question wrong or no one seems to know how to advise me on utilizing the services area of my computer to block the printer driver and openoffice writer from being started at startup. on XP and vista I could do this but not for some reason on windows 7, the services I speak of are not even on the list of the services! so please tell me HOW DO I BLOCK THESE PROGRAMS FROM STARTING in the first place so they dont take up so much juice without removing them! I could " BLOCK " brother printer drivers and other unnecessary programs without having to remove them in any way with previous OS systems...whats going on with windows 7?

 

blocking the software that is bundled with a printer driver is ok (i don't know what brother's is). you should still be able to use the printer. like i said earlier, you can use ccleaner to either delete or disable an entry from startup. If you choose to delete the entry, it will not change to selective startup, only if you choose to disable will it change to selective. Since you are not sure what entries are which, i would suggest disabling one at a time (it will put you at selective startup) and when you are sure the disabled item isn't needed, you can delete it, and you should return to normal. remember that some items will return even after you delete it, if you choose to run the program associated with it. (i.e. itunes helper, quicktime starter, etc)